Is the data of espacenet and OPS the same ?

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ming
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Is the data of espacenet and OPS the same ?

Post by ming » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:29 am

Hi Hi:
I was wandering if the database of espacenet and OPS is the same?? Do they update in the same time ??

Because I use program to search in 「priority number」(CN201711343477) through OPS, I cannot find anything , but if I search in espacenet , I can find 1 result in the Worldwide database. Why ??

Thanks in advance. :D


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Re: Is the data of espacenet and OPS the same ?

Post by EPO / OPS Support » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:49 am

Dear user,

OPS and Espacenet are both retrieving data from the same database.
What you see in Espacenet is enhanced with business rules in the background, whereas OPS is giving data only.

In the case that you mention, Espacenet indicates that there is a priority number CN201711343477, but it shows you the data corresponding to the document CN109902815 (A) published on 2019-06-18.

This specific priority document is not available in the database, therefore you will not find the document neither in Espacenet nor in OPS.

We will ask our colleagues if they can get the document from the Chinese office and load it into the database. This will take a few days.

Kind regards,
OPS support


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Re: Is the data of espacenet and OPS the same ?

Post by EPO / OPS Support » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:22 am

Dear Ming,

Data in OPS and Espacenet is of course the same data, its coming from the same database. If something is available in Espacenet then it will also be in OPS since OPS is actually feeding Espacenet.

The only thing to pay attention to is that old Espacenet uses EPODOC format so if you copy a number from Espacenet then make sure to use epodoc format in your URL request too. New Espacenet BETA is using docdb format.

But if you use Biblio search like here below you can get the record without worrying about number format:

.../rest-services/published-data/search/biblio/?q=pr%3DCN201711343477

Regards,
Vesna for OPS


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Re: Is the data of espacenet and OPS the same ?

Post by ming » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:49 am

Dear Vesna ..
Thanks for your reply, here are some questions hope you can help...
1.What is the difference between EPODOC format and DOCDB format??

2..../rest-services/published-data/search/biblio/?q=pr%3DCN201711343477 what does that mean?
I use "http://ops.epo.org/3.2/rest-services/pu ... 1711343477" in IE URL, but it cannot work?

3.I queried OPS for pr=CN201711343477, I got 1 result (as bellows):
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="/3.2/style/exchange.xsl"?>
<ops:world-patent-data xmlns="http://www.epo.org/exchange" xmlns:ops="http://ops.epo.org" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink">
<ops:biblio-search total-result-count="1">
<ops:query syntax="CQL">pr = CN201711343477</ops:query>
<ops:range begin="1" end="25"/>
<ops:search-result>
<exchange-documents>
<exchange-document system="ops.epo.org" family-id="66819989" country="CN" doc-number="109902815" kind="A">
[size]
But I queried Espacenet for pr=CN201711343477, I got 9 results , why is it different ??
CN109902810 (A) CN109902811 (A) CN109902812 (A) CN109902813 (A) CN109902814 (A) CN109902816 (A) CN109902817 (A) WO2019114649 (A1) CN109902815 (A)

Thanks


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Re: Is the data of espacenet and OPS the same ?

Post by EPO / OPS Support » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:33 am

As said, OPS feeds Espacenet so you cannot have difference with what the services gives you in a query.

In Espacent and in OPS you only get one result, but Espacenet offers you also simple patent family view (aka “Also published as”) in basic biblio and for the same family picture in OPS you have to use another constituent which means different URL:

.../rest-services/published-data/priority/docdb/CN201711343477/equivalents or
.../rest-services/published-data/priority/docdb/CN201711343477/equivalents/biblio

This query will give you 9 simple family members, just like Espacenet does.

Please remember that Espacenet is a search tool and OPS is only a web service access to the raw data, without any business rules that would be able to combine different data as we can do in Espacenet.

As far as difference between DOCDB and Epodoc, look at older posts, that is pretty regular question. The distinction is only important in proper number search (like mine is, for eqvivalents) and not in a CQL search (the kind of search you were doing).

Regards,
Vesna


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