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Italian Priority documents to US patent- can't find?

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:12 am
by Fixated
So, on a familiar to me US Patent from the early 1960s, there is mention of earlier priority, referring to a patent application and / or perhaps issue, in Italy a few years previous.

I am having difficulty finding anything more about this. Were such documents simply not added to the electronic database, or did the Italians simply not save such paperwork? Or perhaps I should direct such a search at the USPTO? Alternatively, perhaps the ID numbers are faulty?

What I have is this: An issued US Patent 3,166,269 to Mr. Elio Veroli (long since deceased).
The bibliographic data here on Espacenet gives me this:

Priorities
IT23360A·1960-01-05
Application
US24340762A·1962-12-10
Publication
US3166269A·1965-01-19

Now, as said, I am interested in that Italian document from 1960. Maybe even that US Application. How to find?

Further, the original document looks like this. Similar, but a few more numbers to choose from:
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I would be very grateful for any help in pursuing this further. Thank you.

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Re: Italian Priority documents to US patent- can't find?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 4:41 pm
by EPO / EPAL Team
Thank you for your request. Your request has been received and is under investigation, we will get back to you as soon as possible !
The EPAL Team.

Re: Italian Priority documents to US patent- can't find?

Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 7:11 am
by EPO / EPAL Team
The requested Patent document from 1960 is archived in "Archivio Centrale dello Stato http://acs.beniculturali.it/ " Central archive of Italy. It has not been digitalised. The document can be purchased online by written request to the e-mail given in the above webpage. For more detailed information please contact the EPAL team via e-mail.
Thank you.

Re: Italian Priority documents to US patent- can't find?

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:51 am
by Fixated
Wow, thank you so very much for your efforts and thoughtful reply! I will follow up on your suggestion, perhaps immediately.
I really appreciate this. Thank you!

Re: Italian Priority documents to US patent- can't find?

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:07 am
by EPO / EPAL Team
Additionally to the patent, you might be interested to read this blog about Elio Veroli and his associate Gianni Sganzerla https://www.antipes.it/marca_everol_it.html

Re: Italian Priority documents to US patent- can't find?

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:49 am
by EPO / EPAL Team
Thank you very much. Very interesting indeed !
EPAL

Re: Italian Priority documents to US patent- can't find?

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:26 pm
by Woodrow
If the earliest-filed patent application for a particular invention was a provisional application, then the filing date of the provisional is your priority date.