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No images available for GB patents GB1605471 - GB2000000

Post by patentmaster » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:52 am

Hi,

I've noticed that OPS does not have images of patents from aound GB1605471 to around GB2000000; I get a 404 error not found. Above 2 million is fine.

I've randomly checked some numbers and have seen that they are not available via espacenet either.

Is there a technical problem or is the coverage from UKIPO is incomplete?

Thanks.


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Re: No images available for GB patents GB1605471 - GB2000000

Post by EPO / OPS Support » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:42 am

Hi,

The only UK document with this numbers that I can find are applications and for those I see images in Espacenet and in OPS (OPS actually feeds Espacenet). For publications I don't find any entries with this number, not in UK's IPSUM or anywhere else. Please clarify what are those numbers exactly.

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Re: No images available for GB patents GB1605471 - GB2000000

Post by patentmaster » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:48 pm

Right.

Start from here: this is GB1605470 =
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publica ... 5470A&KC=A which exists in Espacenet and OPS.

Notice that this patent has an application date of 19700611 and appears to have been published in 2017-06-21. I am conjecturing that this is either a data error or it's a UKIPO secret patent that was published years after the application date, since it deals with firearms. If you take a look at Fig. 1 of GB1605470 it says GEHEIM.

Now, increase the Patent number from GB1605470 to GB1605471 you will not find it either in Espacenet or OPS.

Pick any patent number, randomly, between GB1605471 - GB2000000 and you will probably get a 404, e.g. search for patent GB1705471, GB1805471 and so on. These are all patent numbers that I am referring to.

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Re: No images available for GB patents GB1605471 - GB2000000

Post by EPO / OPS Support » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:53 am

Hi,

Thanks, I needed clarification if we are talking about application or publication numbers and that you gave me with your link.

I can see that it's not really only images missing but we are missing complete biblio which is a base to load any other part of the document, such as images. My problem is that I cannot find any of those documents in UKIPO's databases either, so I am not sure why that is. We will have to ask UKIPO to check if they have a gap in their data or if this data is still secret and is therefore missing in UKIPO and consequently in our coverage.

Those applications that you have found seem to be patent applications under section 22 of the Patents Act directions: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/manual-of-p ... -of-public and they seem correct as they are because such patents only get published once the directions are lifted (invention no longer considered a threat to national security etc...). It might take some time to find out more about the missing data so please bear with me. I will replay once UKIPO gets back to us on this


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Re: No images available for GB patents GB1605471 - GB2000000

Post by patentmaster » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:39 pm

Hi,

Do we have an update on this matter regarding GB patents?

I've also noticed that coverage of Korean patents is not optimal in espacenet.

A KR patent with publication number KR19950034722 A and application number KR19950000001, granted as KR100352519 B1 from Sony, cannot be found in espacenet although in the same family one can find family members JP7211836 A2 and US5481798 A via other subscription patent databases. Patents JP7211836 A2 and US5481798 A are in espacenet but do not appear to be associated with KR19950034722 A; KR19950034722 A is non existent in espacenet.

If one searches in espacenet for all KR patents published on 19951228, the publication date of KR19950034722 A, the result will be only 5 families which is wrong since I get other results from other subscription patent databases.

Is this issue widespread in EPO databases?

Thanks


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Re: No images available for GB patents GB1605471 - GB2000000

Post by EPO / OPS Support » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:33 am

Hi,

If you look at the coverage table you will see that we only really have comprehensive coverage of KR A documents starting from 2006 onwards. Before that date we only very little KR documents and we don't expect to fill that gap anytime soon. In order to know what is in a family, or what you can expected in a family you always have to have a look at the coverage. OPS and Espacenet have same coverage, but even better overview you will have if you look at the DOCDB coverage available here: https://www.epo.org/searching-for-paten ... eekly.html

As far as GB, situation is as decribed in my previous email, UKIPO has confirmed that.

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